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Wolf statement about his his arrest in February 1997 (from PMPT)

About being stopped by a police officer:

She said, You know, you're speeding, which, of course, I said, Well, I don't think I was speeding. And she said, Can I see your driver's license? And I said, No, I don't have a driver's license because I just had to surrender my driver's license. And she said, Well, we're going to have to take you to jail. And she said, Park the car over there, get out of the car, we'll put the handcuffs on you. And she put the handcuffs on me, threw me in back of the squad. 

She took me downtown, pulled me into an interrogation room where I found Thomas and Gosage. And they said, Do you want to help us with this murder investigation -- help us with this investigation. And they pushed a piece of paper at me saying, you know, saying words that were included in the ransom note. They said, do you want to copy these words down for us. And I said, No, I don't really want to. So they took me to jail, put me in jail for about 45 minutes. They said they were going to charge me with obstructing a police investigation. And I said, Well, okay; we'll see how far that goes. So then, you know, within 45 minutes, they let me out and I walked out of there, and that was the end of that.

About, within, about a week later, I went back to the police department, and I said, I would like to talk to Thomas and see my -- see that police report. And so I went in and sat with Thomas and John Eller, at which time John Eller said to me, We have no interest in you as a suspect in this case. So that was five weeks -- that was within two months after the murder. And ever since then, as far as I know, that's all I've heard is I am not a suspect. 

And Tom Wickman has told me that and Michael Kane has told me that and John Eller has told me that and Steve Thomas has told me that and Carey Weinheimer has told me that.

 

About how he was treated by Thomas and Gosage at the police station:

"You do this for us, we'll do this for you," was Thomas' pitch. Otherwise I'd be in jail. Thomas was the negotiator, Gosage the camera. That's when I turned to the wall, turned my back on him. He never photographed me. Someone cuffed me again, twisted my wrists, and I yelled at the top of my lungs. "We're going to book you for obstruction of a police investigation," one of the detectives said. Next thing, they were taking me to jail. My wrists hurt for a while. I just pretty much went through the tough guy. Thomas pulled out a couple of sheets of paper with typewritten words on them, a blank line underneath each word. The first one was Mr. Ramsey. Then it hit me. I knew exactly what was going on. I just said, "No." Thomas left the room, and Gosage started playing thug with me. He threatened and tried to intimidate me. "If you don't have anything to do with this crime," Gosage said, "what are you afraid of?" It was like he was going to arrest me for murder" Thomas came back with a Polaroid process. I was given a ticket for driving without a license, and an hour later I was out. 


About how Eller told him he was of now interest to them:

A few weeks later, I went to get a copy of my police report and Thomas invited me in. I sat across the table from him and John Eller. "We have no interest in you," Eller said. I could tell he felt it was his responsibility to say that.

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With PETER BOYLES February 2000

PB: It's been long talked about. The Ramseys have now written a book about their quote"side", which I think is an interesting choice of words, of this murder, the investigation andeverything that happened. Now the book that will be published by a Christian publishinghouse, Thomas Nelson, is now--apparently somebody up at the Boulder Daily Cameradid some great work and got an advance somehow or got a leak or something becausethe Ramseys have said they're going to name suspects. 

 Well, three people were named. One of them joins us on the line. He's a reporter; I've gotten to know him through this case. I think he's done excellent work. His name is Chris Wolfe. Chris, good morning.

CW: Hi, Peter. How you doin'?

PB: Fine. Thanks for coming on the show. The other two people: Jeff Merrick, who I've gotten to know very, very long who I just think is, I mean, is just beyond reproach. And the other one, of course, it's almost like deservedly so because he weaseled his way into this story, Santa Claus McReynolds. But you three--first of all, thanks for doing this. I think it's good that you're speaking out. But how do you feel after finding out you were named? How did you find out the Ramseys named you?

CW: Well, I saw the story in the Daily Camera yesterday and-- umm, didn't,-- my name was right there on the front page so, you know, it wasn't hard to figure out what was going on. It was surprising but it's been a series of surprises really since this began when Igot pulled over by the cops about three weeks after JonBenet was murdered. They pulled me into the station and I had really no idea what for.

PB: First of all, tell a litttle bit about your background, what you were doing at the time and why they pulled you over.

CW: Well, you know, I'm really not a reporter now but I had been at that time for a longtime, uhh, for about six years at a number of different papers around Boulder County andwell, yeah, they pulled me over and took me in and, you know, it was some sort of
traffic, uhh, they said I was driving with an expired license which they had taken from me the week before, or just a few days before, under some sort of other bogus circumstances so it was sort of a whole, you know, setup but they said we'll fix this traffic problem for you if you'll just help us with this thing and they pushed this paper in front of me with a bunch of phrases like "Mr. Ramsey" and "small foreign faction" and all that kind of stuff.

PB: Yeah, words from the so-called ransom note.

CW:...words from the ransom note. and they said "Would you write this for us?" and I looked at it and I was pretty shocked and stunned for a second and of course I put two and two together pretty quickly and said "Well, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna write that stuff. You know, why don't you find the guy, talk to the guy who is responsible or who knows something about it?--you know, referring to John Ramsey, really, of course. Cause this was three weeks after the murder and by then everyone had seen this cat and mouse game going on with the cops. The Ramseys saying"Well, we have a scheduling conflict and we can't talk to you" and all that kind of stuff.

PB: It's amazing, isn't it? And the fact that they got away with it, too.

CW: Well, yeah, they did. They really did. And I think that's the whole story really here behind what's going on with this book and their ability to write my name in this book that they're writing and supposedly publishing and ummm it's a story of a vacuum of law enforcement and I think the DA has decided he didn't want to deal with that and, uhh, he didn't want to deal with the Ramseys--he didn't want to take the Ramseys on. I think he's afraid to look them in the eye for one thing and from that, I don't know more than that, I don't know what else transpired but I think that that's probably the one thing that Alex Hunter can do at this point since he's really basically squelched this case and covered it up at this point to a degree it's probably irrevokable. The one thing I think he can do is tell how that all happened--who got to him? That's what I think he can do.

PB: There's so many issues here. You had written, if I recall correctly, you had written astory actually about Access Graphics, had you not?

CW: That's what I've been told. I think that that was, I haven't seen that and...

PB: No, but you, did you write as a reporter, did you do a piece on Access and on John?

CW: Well, I don't really remember it, Peter, but I have been told that I did that and Idon't think I

PB: Why would you say to the audience "You don't really remember."?

CW: Well, I wrote a lot, a lot of stories--hundreds and hundreds of stories over all that time and I wasn't really a full time reporter for the Business Report. I was a freelance writer for the Business Report and I did write a lot of stories. But you know I just called
the sources that they gave me and I'm sure I never talked to John Ramsey, I mean, I would remember that and I would tell you if I had but I know I never talked to John Ramsey personally and I don't think I ever knew his name. I don't think I included his
name in a story. I never heard of these people before this murder, before the murder.

PB: And so, you were--my understanding and my re-remembering of all of this--is you lived not close to the Ramseys but you really weren't that far away that night when the little girl was murdered?

CW: Well, I lived up in Lyons.

PB: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You didn't live close to the Ramseys but you lived inthe area.

CW: Well, I lived in Lyons; they lived in Boulder.

PB: Fair enough, yeah. And where were you the night of the 25th, the night the little girl was

CW: I was at home. I was at my girlfriend's house who, who had a house in Lyons and I lived there and I was there.

PB: There were witnesses? Everybody knew where you were, it wasn't like you were sitting alone?

CW: Well, she had her family there and, uh, they were sort of -- we had been together the previous day, you know on Christmas and, uhh, that was Christmas night, right—we had partied together, we had hung out together on, eaten together on Christmas eve was our big meal together and then we didn't really do much on Christmas night and she was, well, I think I was out during the early evening but I came home early and I was asleep.

PB: But people knew you were there.

CW: Yeah.

PB: That's my point. There were witnesses to your whereabouts, as the police say.

CW: Well yeah. Not only that, but in the meantime, Peter, I was giving handwriting

PB: I want to take this step by step as we talk about what happened to you.

CW: I've given handwriting, DNA and palm prints--

PB: I know.

CW:--and you know that was almost 2 years ago that I gave all that.

PB: What I'm getting to here is you were cleared.

CW: Oh yeah! I've been cleared; like I said they pulled me over like three weeks after the murder and then like, you know, I was offended, I was mad at them, I was angry, I said "Forget it. I'm not gonna give you this stuff" and they threw me in jail for and they threatened--

PB: All right, let's pick it up--

CW: --they threatened obstruction of a police investigation.

PB: I remember all that. The Ramseys are clearly obstructing and you were going to be charged with it.

CW: Right!

PB: When you opened the Boulder Daily Camera yesterday--and to their credit, somehow they got this story--and you saw that you were named by John and Patsy as a killer, how did you react?

CW: Uunh, certainly not good news, is it? I don't know--I guess I'm kind of getting used to it. The Camera did another big story on me. Well, when I first got pulled over and hauled in like I told you way back three weeks after the murder, I went immediately to the Daily Camera with a letter to the editor the following day and, uhh, Barry Hartman read the letter, he's the executive editor there, or some editor of some sort, and he said "Well, we're not going to publish this letter but why don't you talk to a reporter?" So they immediately just assumed "Well, he probably is a suspect." even though I was a reporter for the Colorado Daily for years in direct competition a block away from the Camera. I know all those people and I have known them but they just sort of fell right over, too, well, I guess, you know, despite everything that we can see with our own eyes about how the Ramseys are behaving and what happened, the little girl's body was found in the house, no sign of forced entry, well, you know, if the cops think this guy may bes omebody who did it, well so do we then. They wrote a big story about you how they--with the information I gave them from the interview which, you know, wasn't as good as--well, which was, you know made it, put me in not the light that I wanted to be in but

PB: Chris, how long did the Boulder PD hold you?

CW: Just an hour, couple--maybe an hour, probably an hour. They didn't charge me with anything.

PB: And then you did what they asked?

CW: No I didn't.. I left. I didn't at that time. Then about-- let's see, it was April the following year like, umm, 16 months after the murder they came back and looked for meat work when I was working for a newspaper and, ah, they said "We really need you to do this." and I said "What do I owe you?" and "I don't want to do it." and they said "Why don't you think about it?" They were patient and 'good cop' kind of thing and I called them back like five minutes later and said "OK" and I came in and gave 'em everything they wanted that afternoon.

PB: What all did you give them?

CW: I gave them a lengthy handwriting sample, ummm

PB: Did they take excerpts from the so-called ransom note?

CW: Yeah. It was all like that. Yeah.

PB: Did you use a Sharpie pen? You know, a felt tip?

CW: I can't remember. I think, maybe.

PB: OK. Did you do it on a legal pad like the

CW: Yeah.

PB: OK. So you did every--they were trying to get you to re-create?

CW: Well, yeah, I guess...

PB: No, that's good police work. You can't fault them for that.

CW: I did the handwriting, I did the palm prints and I did, ahh, saliva swabs.

PB: A DNA swab.

CW: Yeah.

PB: And then, and then they cleared you.

CW: That was April

PB: Actually, I shouldn't say they cleared you.

CW: That was April. I haven't, I've never heard anything that I'd been cleared, well, No, take that back. I have heard that. I've heard that from day one, Peter. You know like three weeks after the murder I was hauled in and then , you know, that whole thing happened and then I left and they let me out, you know, they threatened to charge me with obstructing the police investigation and then they didn't and then I left and two weeks later, or maybe ten days later, I came back to the PD and I said I want a copy of my police report. Steve Thomas and John Eller took me into the interrogation room, sat me down and John Eller looked me in the eye and said "We have no interest in you as asuspect ion this case." That was five weeks after the murder.

PB: Imagine now, these are both police officers whose careers ended on this case.

CW: Right.

PB: Detective Steve Thomas, as you know, we're awaiting his book, which I think will probably be pretty good, and John Eller, of course, is in retirement in Florida and Eller was the Chief of Detectives. These are both guys, by the way, they're both guys who clearly believe that John and Patsy Ramsey killed that little girl.

CW: Exactly.

PB: And the people who are still standing

CW: Are the ones who think maybe somebody else did it.

PB: Lou Smit! I mean it is--we haven't spoken about the Ramseys for the longest time, but this is just so unbelievable, particularly with the film coming this weekend and now their book is coming as well. Let me do another quick turn around here and come back and we'll get you to wrap this up. On the line with us is Chris Wolf. Imagine beingnamed by John and Patsy Ramsey; this Thomas Nelson Publishing house should hang their heads in shame.

PB: Chris, of course, a reporter for the longest time in the Boulder area gets named by the Ramseys in their book as a suspect in their daughter's murder. They name three people as the suspects. One of the things that Carol McKinley from Fox News, her contention, and I think it's a good one, is they are choosing people that they think don't have the dough to fight them back. And they're choosing you, Santa Claus McReynolds, who, I understand is, I don't know what his financial shape's in and Jeff Merrick, who is just one of the best guys in the world. Jeffrey's involved in real estate and technology.They're not naming Fleet White, are they?

CW: Well I haven't heard of that yet.

PB: No... Fleet White's got a wallet. If they go at Fleet White, he'll ballback them. You can just bet on it. They're not naming people that actually figured them out.

CW: Right.

PB: So here you are, named as a suspect--I want to return to those thrilling days of yesteryear--you're driving down the highway in Boulder.

CW: Umhmm.

PB: --and this is what, tabout three months after the murder?

CW: Three weeks

PB: I'm sorry, three weeks. You get pulled over by the Boulder PD. Why were you pulled over?

CW: They said I was speeding; I was actually going a mile below the speed limit. They said I was going eleven miles above the speed limit, or nine miles above the speed limit, I don't know it was

PB: You think they were just looking for a reason?

CW: Well. yeah. It was entirely bogus and I, you know, I told them--that's sort of, that's incidental really. 

PB: I understand. Which is interesting how they treat you as a working class guy versushow they treated John and Patsy.

CW: Sure. Exactly. Exactly. Big difference.

PB: Oh abs--Hello?

CW: I mean they were waiting for the Ramseys to make an appointment with them and

PB: Exactly.

CW: --and they pull me off the street so

PB: Oh no, once again.

CW: Peter, let's see, I want to also tell you that I sat recently again at the Boulder PD,that was in August '99 of this past year. I sat there with Tom Wickman and Michael Kane and told them, you know, gave them sort of a, I don't know if you'd call it a deposition. I don't think it was a deposition.

PB: Michael Kane was the special prosecutor for the Grand Jury and Wickman is adetective.

CW: Right.

PB: OK, go ahead.

CW: And they, they told me the same thing. They both said to me "You're not a suspect." so, I mean, and I don't know why this keeps going on like this.

PB: Well I understand the only official person cleared, officially cleared, is Burke Ramsey. Everybody else, including me, everybody listening to the show, the people in Beijing, you know, you're all suspects in the Ramsey killing. So.. I guess my final question to you is, you're just a working guy. Have you thought about suing the bastards for doing this?

CW: Well, I would certainly, umm--I'm waiting to see the book, of course and if there's any sort of direct implication that I committed that crime...Umm, Peter, you know, I'm a non-violent person, I'm the most gentle person in the world. I mean, I wouldn't really hurt
anybody, I've never hurt anybody, I've never physically hurt anybody, certainly not achild.

PB: Why did they say they thought it was you?

CW: Uhhh, that's a good question. Well, umm, I've been told that my old girlfriend turned me in. That's what the paper said and that's what other people have told me.

PB: Yeah, I've heard--I didn't want to bring it up but--Geez...

CW: She said that I was--I don't know, she's--she may have done that. We were having problems at the time.

PB: I understand. People do that. That's really understandable. But again, the fact that you were questioned and handled as you were. As you know one of the contentions of the Ramseys and their lawyers and others, their spinmeisters, is "Gee, nobody was everl ooked at but John and Patsy."

CW: Oh, right!

PB: Absolute lie. There were like, what, 180 people were questioned. I mean, pleeeze,

CW: You know, this sort of scenario, without the wealth and power of the Ramseys, they would have probably looked at almost no other suspects

PB: Thank you!

CW:--so-called suspects.

PB. Thank you! I agree. Listen I know a ton of people want to talk to you. I'm gonna put you on hold. Chris, you know how to get ahold of me. Good luck to you and let's talk maybe Monday after the first part of this movie Perfect Murder, Perfect Town airs.

CW: Sure.

 

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With BILL 0'REILLY May 2000

B.O.: In the Unresolved Problem Segment tonight: Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey. The cops can't solve the mystery, so now the case is being played out in books and in unproven accusations. 

In the Ramseys' book, The Death of Innocence, the couple writes about free-lance Denver journalist, Chris Wolfe: "Whatever the police's intentions, Wolf went on our suspect list. He represented too many unanswered questions." And during a Today Show interview, Katie Couric asked the Ramseys about Mr. Wolfe. Here's what John Ramsey said. ". . . he'd been widely mentioned in the news, and we wanted to clarify the facts that we knew. I can tell you - when we first started looking at - at one particular lead early on, my reaction was . . . this is it.  This is the killer.  And our investigator said, 'whoa, whoa, whoa,' he'd say 'don't do a Boulder police on me. Don't rush to conclusions.'"

With us now from Denver is Chris Wolfe, and here in the studio is his attorney, Darnay Hoffman, who has been a critic of the Ramseys all along. We must say that Mr. Wolfe is filing a major lawsuit against the Ramseys. Now, you have been cleared by the Boulder police, Mr. Wolfe. You're not a suspect in the case any longer, but you were a suspect in the beginning due to your girlfriend, and how did that happen and what did she say?

CW: I'm not sure exactly what she said, but it must have been something that . . . about me . . . regarding the murder of the little girl, which of course I had nothing to do with. I could never and would never do anything like that. But I think that she was angry with me and for personal reasons, I guess, as far as regarding our relationship, and I think that she wanted to make my life miserable, and I think that she succeeded.

BO: Why didn't you sue her, first of all?

CW: Well, we have a long history, and we were at one time very close friends. At this point I still have a great deal of sympathy for her and I don't have malice toward her, so I didn't want to . . .

BO: All right. So you've never met the Ramseys, never come into contact with the family at all?

CW: Never. Never heard of either of them or their daughter prior to the murder of the little girl.

BO: Were you anywhere near the house, was there any . . .

CW: No.

BO: Nothing.

CW: No.

BO: Now, when the police came to the door to ask you questions, what was your reaction?

CW: Well I was shocked and I was angry and I refused to answer questions initially. They first tried to interrogate me and asked me to give handwriting samples and such maybe like a month after the murder, and I refused. It wasn't until more than a year later that I heard from them again and they asked me - they called me at work and asked me to come to the police station to give handwriting and DNA and hair and palm prints, and of course a lot had happened in that period of time, and I was more inclined to cooperate with them at that point, which I did that afternoon. I went directly to the police station after work and provided them with a lengthy handwriting sample, hair and DNA samples, as well as palm prints. That's all they asked from me.

BO: All right. So the first time, would you chalk up the first refusal to being nervous or being . . .

CW: No, not nervous at all, but just outraged - just shocked that they would be interested in me. I have no criminal record and no history of any of these things, breaking and entering, sex with children, or violent act against any person. I've never committed any of those crimes or ever been accused of those crimes.

BO: All right, and we will tell the audience again that the Boulder police cleared you so that you don't have to worry about any recriminations from this broadcast. Now, counselor, you've filed this lawsuit against the Ramseys. How much is it for again?

DH: It's for fifty million dollars.

BO: Fifty million dollars!

DH: Twenty-five per parent.

BO: In New York instead of Colorado?

DH: Well, to begin with, Colorado really isn't the appropriate venue. Atlanta, Georgia, is the appropriate venue because the federal rules generally require you to file a suit where the defendants are located. However, there's a special problem here. In Atlanta, the legal community is so put off by this case that it's impossible to get an Atlanta lawyer to agree to appear as local counsel along with me on behalf of Chris Wolfe.

BO: Really? You can't get one Georgia lawyer?

DH: Couldn't find one. Now maybe one will come out of the woodwork at this point, but up until today I have not been able to find a single Georgia lawyer. And they all said, "Hey look, we have nothing against you as an attorney." Simply, this case is so ugly, so unpleasant, so vile, that they don't want to touch it in Atlanta.

BO: That's amazing! I mean, lawyers with ethics in Georgia (laughing) . . .you can't . . . I mean, somebody, somebody should be outraged about this guy, Chris. I mean, he's unjustly accused, it seems like, and he has a right to some redress of grievances. But the actual accusation took place in Colorado, and that's where the private investigators were hired to spy on him, right?

DH: Yeah, but a lot of the activity actually occurred in New York, particularly the most recent activity where the tapings for the book promotion were done at studios in New York City.

BO: Katie Couric and all that.

DH: Exactly. So you could certainly make the claim that the most recent activity has been in New York City. However, frequently when you can't go into a venue where you can get a fair trial for a client they move it out of state. They did that with the Oklahoma City bombing. It was moved to Denver.

BO: Yeah, I know, I know. I don't know whether they're going to throw this out or not in New York, but they probably will hear it, don't you think?

DH: Oh, they'll hear it, and there may be a - the most they'll do is transfer it into Atlanta for some attorney to basically . . .

BO: Well, after this broadcast I guarantee you you'll be hearing from an attorney because, you know, it seems to me that Mr. Wolfe has a very legitimate claim here. I wouldn't want that accusation leveled at me. Keep us posted will you, gentlemen, both of you?

 

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With Tricia Griffith May 2005

 <Tricia> Ok everyone. Chris Wolf is here and is willing to talk to us about what happened in the Ramsey case. I am going to ask Chris to make an opening statement then have Timex explain how we will ask questions

 <chris> Hello everyone. I'm still trying to decide whether this should be the magnanimous Chris or the pit bull Chris for the purposes of this forum. I guess I can start by saying that it doesn't take a Supreme Court Justice (say, Earl Warren) to know that the Ramsey murder case is a textbook example of an American coverup.

 <Tricia>Who collected your Clothes you wore the nite of the killer

 <chris>I don't know if they were ever "collected." There were things going on in Jackie's house, where I lived, with her and the police, attorneys and reporters, that I am unaware of.

 <Tricia>Did you know Santa McRenyolds before the crime? IF so in what capacity?


  <chris>I talked to him one time, while he was teaching a class at U of Colorado. I stuck my head in the door at the rear of the classroom, asked him a question, then left. He was never my advisor and I never talked to him other than that single time.

 <Tricia> how to you explain the Wolf vs Ramsey decision by Judge Carnes in Atlanta

  <chris>I am no attorney, but I find it unconscionable on its face that a federal judge would render a decision on a case so directly related to the unsolved murder of a six-year-old girl without the benefit of the voluminous pages of police investigatory files. So, it looks like a set-up. A set-up, sure. Everyone involved in that case knew what was at stake and how things could, should and would play out. They didn't have to put their heads together in a smoke-filled room and decide who would do what and when. Obviously, I'm alluding to some degree of inside knowledge on my attorney's part, and that happens all the time. And Judge Carnes just decided to go along with it, a major cop-out. I think Darnay used me, but he had a heart about it.

 <Tricia>So you feel that Wood and Carnes spoke about the case before the case and set things up

 <chris>I don't have any knowledge about that. But, like I said, both of them knew exactly what the results of their actions, in terms of motions, etc., would be. And they wouldn't have had to have spoken. Others, intermediaries, could have.

<Tricia>Did you know the ramseys before the case and if so did you ever see Patsy get angry of "Explode" if you will

 <chris>I did not know the Ramseys at all. People on the side of chaos, money and power have tried to make a big deal of the fact that I wrote a business profile story on Acess Graphics for a local newspaper some time in the year or two before the murder of JBR. I wrote those stories two, three, four times per month on a freelance basis, and they always went in one ear and out the other. It was actually a story about local companies contracting for work at the new Denver Int. Airport (so it was probably longer than 2 years before the murder). And I certainly never spoke to John Ramsey. To this day, I have never researched that story. The last time I read it was when I proofread it before sending it to my editor.

 <Tricia>Who was Mr. Stratbuckner and why did he quit the case.
 

 <chris>I have never heard of Mr. Stratbuckner 

<Tricia>Why did the judge disallow your handwriting expert and disallow the handwriting altogether


 <chris>There was a whole lot of legal wrangling over the handwriting issue. Not surprising since everyone knew and knows that the "ransom note" is the most compelling piece of evidence in the murder case. One of our experts quit (Richard Williams, I believe) and Darnay told me Williams explanation for quitting the case was because "I gotta be me." And judge Carnes tossed out testimony of one of the world's most highly credentialed doc. examiners, Gideon Epstein, who worked with the United States prosecutors in the Nueremburg Trials and taught handwriting analysis to the FBI, because Epstein claimed to have "100 percent certainty" that Patsy wrote the note.

<Tricia>WOW. Because Epstein was 100 percent sure as opposed to 99 percent sure she tossed him. Why didn't darnay get another expert? Or did the judge disallow all handwriting experts.


 <chris>I really couldn't recount the whole series of decisions that resulted in my case being dismantled, but suffice to say that it was before it ever got into the judges hands. That's not to say she did not have a role in the dismantling. She did. 

<Tricia>Have you considered filing a suit based on ineffective counsel?

<chris>I did consider it. But for two or three reasons I never pursued it. One: I was happy to have the whole thing over with. Two: I didn't have any attorney coming to me offering to take THAT case on contingency. And, I guess most importantly, like I said, Darnay was an important ally of mine and I kind of liked him. Sorry.

<Tricia>Were you personally at all the depositions? If so how did theRamseys strike you?


<chris>I was not at all depositions. I was not at the Ramsey's depositions. But Mr. Ramsey was at mine. I have never in my life laid eyes upon Mrs. Ramsey. The only deposition besides my own that I attended was that of Lou Smit. You can't believe what a bunch of cronies that was. Ollie Gray. What a charade! Re: Mr. Ramsey. He struck me as shorter, stockier and seriouser (sic) than I imagined.

<Tricia>Do you think Darnay did a good job for you or do you think he screwed things up Let's put it this way Would you suggest using Darnay Hoffman to someone you cared about?

 <chris>I think Darnay did a good job of coming out a winner by losing a court case. But like I said, he tried his best to help me along the way. AND, just the very fact of me having a case in court helped me I can only assume immensely regardless of the eventual outcome.

<Tricia>Let's go back to the beginning. The night of the 25/26th, the night of the murder. Where were you and did you come home with mud on your clothes


<chris>I was at Jackie's house, where I lived. The first time I was asked about my whereabouts that night was what...three, four weeks after the murder, when the police first dragged me in off the street in violation of my rights against unlawful search and seizure. I could barely remember then, if I may have gone for a drive in the canyon, as I liked to do and did frequently. If I did, however, it was early evening or even late afternoon And as for the night, I was in bed early, approx. 9:30-10 pm, since I was tired because we had drank and partied the night before (Christmas Eve).

<Tricia>Were your clothes muddy that night? If so why?


<chris>Probably not. If they were it may have been because I had looked under one of the cars in Jackie's gravel/dirt driveway. I remember looking under a car, I don't know whose car or why, and I don't remember what day, before or after the murder. Mainly, my clothes were probably not muddy. When my clothes get muddy, I wash them.

<Tricia>A bit of confusion here I want to clear up. So the night of the 25th and early morning hours of the 26th you were out driving?
This was the time of the murder

<chris>NO. During the night I was asleep in bed. I may have been driving early in the evening or even late afternoon. I went to sleep approx. 9:30-10 pm and did not wake up or get up or go out until the next morning (daylight), the 26th.

<Tricia>Let's move on. Your ex. Jackie. First question. RR wants to know Did she have any connection to West Virginia and Patsy Ramsey?

 <chris>No. But she was a great shmoozer, and I don't doubt for a second that she could connect with Patsy or I guess the story goes, with Pam (is it?), especially since she was offering a suspect to people who were in desperated need of a suspect. I can just image that duo of drama queens.

<Tricia>Why did she do this? You were at home sleeping yet she said you came in muddy and agitated. Then she continued to tell the police all kinds of stories about you. WHY?

<chris>"Agitated" was when I was watching Mr/Mrs Ramsey on CNN ("We're just trying to get on with our lives.") the week after the murder. "Muddy," she just plain made up. And the stories to the police, I believe were a composite of truth (I was in the process of leaving her, I'm not in any way proud to admit) and her over-active imagination, in which she confused herself, as a sexually abused child who grew into an adult whose most arousing sexual fantasy involved herself being murdered.

<Tricia>Did the police know this?


<chris>I told some of them, I don't know who, I talked to so many.

<Tricia>WHOA. That is a mind blower. Anyway.. moving on. Steve Thomas and Ron Gosage interviewed you. According to Perfect Murder Perfect town things got a bt heated. Explain what happened in that interveiw and how you feel about it now


 <chris>They were the first ones I talked to. They were the ones who made me aware that I was on their radar screen re: the JBR case. Before the two of them, that day -- what was it 3,4,5 weeks after the murder -- I was just another oridnary citizen watching the whole transparent cover-up play out. They were under alot of pressure already.If it had been up to them (Thomas, at least) the Ramsey's would have been already arrested. They were interviewing my solely to satisfy the political considerations of Alex Hunter
And Alex Hunter, who failed utterly and completely in his role as a prosecutor (if not as a Freemason) was kowtowing to the corrupt and conspiratorial bent of his buddies, the Boulder insiders who befreinded the Ramseys because of their money: Michael Bynum, that other pillar of the community whose name escapes me, there's a long list.
That is not to mention the corruption from within, such weak minded cowards like Trip DeMuth ("But what if the Ramseys didn't do it?"), Peter Hofstrom and Mary Keenan, who is a radical feminist and an utter flake.
And as much as I appreciated Gov. Owens taking the Ramseys on in such a public way, he has really apparently given up now, too. I want to say that, for Alex Hunter and the rest of them to continue investigating my for years, when they knew full-well within one week who the prime suspects were is tantamount to an attempt to frame me (and others) for murder. That's serious.

<Tricia>Did you read Thomas' book? If so do you agree with it?


<chris>I skimmed it. I'm not a fast reader and it was a real burden to immerse myself in the case by reading about it. I don't know exactly what happened that night. But I know who does know what happened, and that is Mrs. and probably Mr. Ramsey, if not others, as well.

<Tricia>Weren't you cleared? you are not still considered a suspect are you?


 <chris>What does "cleared" mean in this case. Former Bldr. Police Commander John Eller told me in Feb. '97: "We have no interest in you in this case." Det. Tom Wickman told me in Sept. '99, "You are not a suspect." But that doesn't stop Lin Wood and the rest of the cronies from spinning their own sick version of truth for anyone they can intimidate.

<Tricia>I think most of us agree with that statement. Just a few more questions. What is the most shocking thing you learned about the Ramsey case that perhaps we don't know about
 

 <chris>The whole thing has been such an education, unfortunate as it is. I don't know. I guess the contrast between such high-ranking police telling me I'm not a suspect yet then seeing a sychophant and lame-brain like Dan Glick actually saying I was a suspect in Newsweek. It's shocking.

<Tricia>did you see the latest "Crock" by Michael Tracey? It claimed that no one was seriously looked at other than John and Patsy. That "they zeroed in on them" Do you agree? Also did you know that Olley Grey and Smit are partners in a business?

 <chris>Oh, Michael Tracey, there's another one. Why can some people on God's Green Earth see the truth about things regardless of their own interests while others see the truth as only what is in their own interest? Michael Tracey is a disgrace. He was a married professor of Journalism carrying on affairs with his graduate students, one on whose committee he sat. He bends over backwards to see the point of view of the wealthy and powerful.
And who asked him anyway. He's been a professor of journalism for years before the Ramsey murder. Didn't he ever see an injustice that he wanted to defend until then? Is it just a coincidence that the poor victims he chose to defend in the name of journalism and good society happened to be multi-milloinaires?

<Tricia>Do you know a woman named Mary McAuliffe?


 <chris>That does not ring a bell.


<Tricia>Have you ever been harrassed by anyone from the internet or Ramsey groupies?


 <chris>No.

 <Tricia>Anyway, Before we open it I have a couple of wrap up questions from the posters here. Have you ever heard of nancy krebs or Mary suma


 <chris>The name N. Krebs sounds familiar, but not M. Suma. 

<Tricia>How are you doing? How did this Ramsey stuff effect your life? What are you doing now?
 

 <chris>I'm doing fine. It has been a long climb back. I had to change careers at age 36-37. But I actually had some great experiences in the process of getting my life back together. And I don't think I ever could have without the love and support of my parents and others who cared about me. Yes, they gave me money.

<sharon25>Chris, First let me say thank you for taking the time to chat with us. I just wanted to know if you have sued Newsweek for libel for the article that they ran in 1997 (I believe)?
 

 <chris>I haven't sued newsweek. That's expensive and it's a high burden of proof with the press. It's good enough to know from first-hand experience how pathetic and corrupt the mainstream press can be when the chips are down and their powerful buddies are in peril. For the record, The New York Times wrote only fair and accurate reports about my case.

<sharon25>Do you know why Tracey no longer has a column in the Rocky Mountain News?


 <chris>I don't know why. But I would be interested to find out. The Rocky Mountain News is a paper that I guess I gained respect for throughout the Ramsey case, almost entirely because of Charlie Brennan's accurate and COMPLETE reporting, and because publisher John Temple is actually a pretty good guy.


<Sabrina>Seems like Tracey got "dropped" right after the latest crock came out. It could be a coincidence or something different, but it was shortly after that he no longer had the column. Can't seem to find out what happened. 

 <chris>The Tracey crockumentary didn't come close to meeting the most basic standards of journalism.

<Sabrina>Chris, have you followed this case on the Internet since the beginning or just recently?


 <chris>I have followed developments (and lack thereof) of the case on the internet since maybe a year or so after the murder. The first site I used to check often was Mrs. Bradys. I forget what else. But for three or four years, I guess, I've been aware of Forums for Justice.

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